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As Law 25 explores identity and the benefits of recreating yourself, Dre and Jon give you a peek into their personal lives as they discuss the different nicknames they’ve been given over the years. Find out who is known as Dr Muscles and who aspires to be King of the Humans.

Law 25 is a playful, relatable law for the pair and they both enjoy discussing it, sharing personal experiences and musings on their own identity and reinventions. They discuss becoming the hero of your own life, why they are lobbying to make the phrase “forge it til you make it” happen and the balance between good-weird and bad-weird.

Jon and Dre also talk about personal transformations they have made in their lives, and how using a nickname and focusing on different personality aspects helped them get out of their pigeonholes. Finally Dre discusses ‘wearing’ Arnold Schwarzenegger, Jon hates on Catcher in the Rye and the pair share unusual self-development techniques.

This episode includes:

  • How places can modify our personality and identity
  • The ritualistic nature of modern society
  • Why starting when you are almost ready can be the most beneficial
  • How cultural background and personality can affect the response to trauma
  • Paederasty, how ancient boy/man love was seen as healthy and an act of mentorship
  • How holding onto labels can limit our future possibilities and growth
  • Empty Nest Syndrome and how it can affect our identity
  • The need for balance in all aspects of life

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Challenge: Find yourself a new group of people – yoga class, board game club or other social club. See how they treat you and what box you were put in. Be neutral or air a side of you that you don’t normally show to others.

Be silly. Be kind. Be weird.

Join us as we continue our 48 Laws of Power review, exploring Robert Greene’s provocative and compelling book, in which he lays bare the history, practice, psychology, and philosophies of power that ultimately shape all human relations. Often seen as a handbook for the ‘modern Machiavelli’, we take a closer look, beyond the hyperbole, and discuss how understanding and implementing these Laws can actually enrich your life personally, professionally and spiritually.

Jon and Dre aim to get to the heart of each of the Laws, grapple with their sometimes disturbingly amoral nature, and discuss what the Laws mean in everyday life (often revealing their own experiences – good and bad – when they’ve either observed or transgressed them).


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